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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby shandy » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:01 pm

Russell promoted the worship of Jesus and prayer to him because he is our God.

"It seems clear that His Divinity was retained in humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God. He was the object of unreproved worship even when a babe, by the wise men who came to see the new-born King. Matt. 2:2-11. Even the angels delighted to do Him honor. "When He bringeth the first-begotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb. 1:6. He never reproved any one for acts of worship offered to Himself, but when Cornelius offered such service to Peter--the leading apostle-- "he took him up, saying, stand up; I myself also am a man." .... Had Christ not been more than a man the same reason would have prevented from receiving worship...." Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Oct pp.2-3

"It is undoubtedly proper enough for us to address petitions to our Redeemer and Advocate, who loved us and gave himself for us....Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, it evidently could not be improper so to do; for such a course is nowhere prohibited, and the disciples worshiped him." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 May 15 p.157

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216

"In one respect many of Christendom could learn numerous important lessons from these wise Gentiles....They worshiped him in three senses of the word: (1) They fell before him, prostrated themselves, thus physically expressing their reverence. (2) They worshiped him in their hearts and with the tongue gave expression to their rejoicing and confidence. (3) They opened their treasure-box and presented to him three gifts appropriate to royalty: the myrrh representing submission, frankincense representing praise, gold representing obedience." Zion's Watch Tower 1906 Jan 1 p.15

Rutherford continued this teaching.

"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." Watchtower 1939 Nov. 15 p.339 Click for scan

"During the Millennium, "the princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ." Vindication Volume 3 p.295

"The people of all nations who obtain salvation must come to the house of the Lord to worship there; that is to say, they must believe on and worship Jehovah God and the Lord Jesus Christ, his chief instrument (Philippians 2:10, 11)." Salvation p.151

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php

If for decades they've made claim that they now say is false on such a core part of the belief, how can they claim to know with certainty that anything they now claim is certain to be true?
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby clarance » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:04 pm

Russell promoted the worship of Jesus and prayer to him because he is our God.

"It seems clear that His Divinity was retained in humanity because He repeatedly spoke of Himself as having come down from heaven, and because He, though passing through trial and sorrow as a man, was yet possessed of the authority and exercised the prerogatives of a God. He was the object of unreproved worship even when a babe, by the wise men who came to see the new-born King. Matt. 2:2-11. Even the angels delighted to do Him honor. "When He bringeth the first-begotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." Heb. 1:6. He never reproved any one for acts of worship offered to Himself, but when Cornelius offered such service to Peter--the leading apostle-- "he took him up, saying, stand up; I myself also am a man." .... Had Christ not been more than a man the same reason would have prevented from receiving worship...." Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Oct pp.2-3

"It is undoubtedly proper enough for us to address petitions to our Redeemer and Advocate, who loved us and gave himself for us....Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, it evidently could not be improper so to do; for such a course is nowhere prohibited, and the disciples worshiped him." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 May 15 p.157

"Question. The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer. Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father and his agent in the creation of all things, including man." Zion's Watch Tower 1898 Jul 15 p.216

"In one respect many of Christendom could learn numerous important lessons from these wise Gentiles....They worshiped him in three senses of the word: (1) They fell before him, prostrated themselves, thus physically expressing their reverence. (2) They worshiped him in their hearts and with the tongue gave expression to their rejoicing and confidence. (3) They opened their treasure-box and presented to him three gifts appropriate to royalty: the myrrh representing submission, frankincense representing praise, gold representing obedience." Zion's Watch Tower 1906 Jan 1 p.15

Rutherford continued this teaching.

"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." Watchtower 1939 Nov. 15 p.339 Click for scan

"During the Millennium, "the princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ." Vindication Volume 3 p.295

"The people of all nations who obtain salvation must come to the house of the Lord to worship there; that is to say, they must believe on and worship Jehovah God and the Lord Jesus Christ, his chief instrument (Philippians 2:10, 11)." Salvation p.151

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/worship-jesus.php

If for decades they've made claim that they now say is false on such a core part of the belief, how can they claim to know with certainty that anything they now claim is certain to be true?
I don't know, but I wish they'd figure out that I get pissed when they show up at my door.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby aberto77 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:13 pm

That was long, Bru. Anyway, I worship Jesus.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby joscelin » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:26 pm

Modern JW's are apostates to the real Wittnesses. which don't go by that name :o)

the real Witnesses still fallow what Russel taught.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby said34 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:33 pm

ANGELS BOW before HIM

HEAVEN and EARTH ADORE HIM
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby cidro » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:44 pm

The reason is this--The JW,s were using trinity translated bibles --they erred in the usage of the greek word Proskenaue--it had 4 different meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God 2) obesiance to a king--- the israelites were looking for the messiah to be a mighty king --not God--so the correct usage was obesiance for Jesus. they also left the a out of John 1:1 in the last line--the greeks didnt use a or an in their written language--the trinity translators left it out to practice false council teachings. Upon the JW teachers finding these truths out--they changed the error teaching from worship to obesiance. We bow our knees to our reigning king Jesus in obesiance.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby farnall » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:46 pm

Its so sad when people relive there youth everyday of their lives. Find something meaningful to get in to.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby rane » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:56 pm

Well are not you happy we were enlightened again as we always have been..I was not around in 1954 and of course you get your information from a Slam a Witness web site..Get a brain of your own.Your talking over 75-100 years to completely understand a teaching that has since been clarified.In regard to how the truth is brought forth through Jehovah’s organization, please note that if the Watch Tower Society were infallible there would be no need for future correction of viewpoints held; but because it is not infallible and has never claimed to be, from time to time corrections are necessary. If Jehovah’s spirit operated in the way it did upon Bible writers, inspiring them to write according to Jehovah’s thoughts, then no future corrections in matters would ever be necessary. But because the spirit does not operate in this way today some corrections are made from time to time.
Jehovah God, in fact, foretold or indicated that such would be the case. At Proverbs 4:18 (AS) it states: “The path of the righteous is as the dawning light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” While the light is still dim the broad outline of an object may be visible but the details of it are not always distinct, and as the light increases these details may be seen with more clarity and a corrected view is obtained. Full dependence is placed upon Jehovah’s Word in the formulation of truth and it is from his Word that proof should be forthcoming. However, with greater clarity and understanding, new truths are discerned and something that previously appeared very logical may require revision.
Jehovah did not say that the entire matter would be seen in crystal clarity instantaneously. With these last days in mind, Jesus spoke of the “faithful and discreet slave” that would be appointed to bring forth “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45, NW) This is a progressive process, food being continually provided, and as we advance in the stream of time and observe further fulfillment of prophecy new truths are discerned and brought forth and constitute fresh and nourishing food for our day. Some truths were not essential for us prior to the time of their discernment, otherwise Jehovah would have caused them to become known earlier.
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby gwynfor » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:04 pm

Because, Jehovah is teaching and refining us a little at a time so we can easily absorb the information. We have learned a great deal over time and each day brings us a little closer to perfection and the new world Jehovah is creating.

Since this progression of learning for God's people is prophesied in the bible, wouldn't it be more logical to ask why no other church has grown and improved over the years but rather clings to thousand year old traditions?
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Why did it take Jehovah's Witnesses until 1954 to figure out that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped?

Postby kenner » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:08 pm

Most Hebrew and Greek words that can denote worship can also be applied to acts other than worship. The context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood. Please see: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004630?q=Hebrew+and+Greek+Terms&p=par

For instance, the act described by proskuneo (or shachah) was of bowing or kneeling, and it generally indicated an act of *respect* and a display of one's willingness to submit to or serve another person who occupied a superior position, regardless of his nature (somewhat similar to a salute in the military today).

The Hebrew word most often translated "worship" is shachah, and it is usually rendered as proskuneo in the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament. Unger and White say of this word: "Shachah ... 'to worship, prostrate oneself, bow down.'" And, "The act of bowing down in homage done before a superior [in rank] or a ruler. Thus David 'bowed' himself [shachah] before Saul (1 Sam. 24:8). Sometimes it is a social or economic superior to whom one bows, as when Ruth 'bowed' [shachah] to the ground before Boaz (Ruth 2:10)." - Nelson's Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, 1980, Thomas Nelson Publ., p. 482.

Even the extremely trinitarian W. E. Vine writes in his An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, p. 1247:

"PROSKUNEO ... to make obeisance, do reverence to (from pros, towards, and kuneo, to kiss), is the most frequent word rendered 'to worship'. It is used for an act of homage or reverence (a) to God ...; (b) to Christ ...; (c) to a MAN, Matt. 18:26." ("Obeisance," of course, shows "respect, submission, or reverence" - Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1961.)

It was done, of course, IN IT'S VERY HIGHEST SENSE TO GOD ALONE, *but* it was also done, IN A LOWER SENSE of the same word, to kings, angels, prophets, etc. That is why proskuneo is translated "prostrated himself before" at Matt. 18:26 NASB, even though the KJV uses "worship" there. Notice how other trinitarian translations render that verse (RSV and NIV for example) where a servant "worships" [proskuneo] his master. And that is why, in the account of the man blind from birth whom Jesus healed, we see that man giving proskuneo to Jesus at John 9:38. The ASV, in a footnote for John 9:38, says,

"The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to a creature, as here [Jesus], or to the Creator."
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Notice the following excerpt from the Insight on the Scriptures under the heading OBEISANCE:

"While some translators use the word “worship” in the majority of cases where pro·sky·ne?o describes persons’ actions toward Jesus, the evidence does not warrant one’s reading too much into this rendering. Rather, the circumstances that evoked the obeisance correspond very closely to those producing obeisance to the earlier prophets and kings. (Compare Mt 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 20:20 with 1Sa 25:23, 24; 2Sa 14:4-7; 1Ki 1:16; 2Ki 4:36, 37.) The very expressions of those involved often reveal that, while they clearly recognized Jesus as God’s representative, they rendered obeisance to him, not as to God or a deity, but as “God’s Son,” the foretold “Son of man,” the Messiah with divine authority. On many occasions their obeisance expressed a gratitude for divine revelation or evidence of favor like that expressed in earlier times.—Mt 14:32, 33; 28:5-10, 16-18; Lu 24:50-52; Joh 9:35, 38." - http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003293
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