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Why Are The Quran And Ahadeeth Geocentric?

Postby Carmichael » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:50 pm

Read the sura's below. Notice how the sun and moon, and even the stars, are "subjected" and they float in an orbit. Where in the Quran does it mention the earth floating in orbit? Why doesn't it mention in these sura's that the earth is subjected? Also read the hadeeth below the sura's. Why is geocentrism so prevalent in both the Quran and ahadeeth?

13:2

then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term.

14:33

And He subjected for you the sun and the moon, continuous [in orbit],

16:12

And He has subjected for you the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His command.

21:33

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all in an orbit are swimming.

31:29

has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term,

35:13

and has subjected the sun and the moon - each running [its course] for a specified term.

36:40

It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

39:5

and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term.

The hadeeth below is narrated in both the Bukhari and Muslim collections:

Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again
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Why Are The Quran And Ahadeeth Geocentric?

Postby Arioch » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:52 pm

Abu Maryam:

Please read these translations of 77:25. Nowhere is there even a hint of the earth moving:

Sahih International

Have We not made the earth a container

Muhsin Khan

Have We not made the earth a receptacle?

Pickthall

Have We not made the earth a receptacle

Yusuf Ali

Have We not made the earth (as a place) to draw together.


Shakir

Have We not made the earth to draw together to itself,

Dr. Ghali

Have We not made the earth a receptacle.
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Why Are The Quran And Ahadeeth Geocentric?

Postby Bechor » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:56 pm

Notice also here the way in which Allah describes the sun and "stars", treating the two as if different types of objects when, in reality, they aren't. The language suggests to me that the author of the Quran doesn't know that the sun is a star too.

Moreover, peruse this: "It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon"; this seems to me to suggest that the author of the Quran is describing the sun and the moon as if objects observed in the sky and not objects in outer space (if it was the later, it would seem nonsensical).
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Why Are The Quran And Ahadeeth Geocentric?

Postby Maoldhomhnaigh » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:07 pm

Your translations are wrong - get a better source for translations.


The Arabs were not yet advanced enough to fully explain movements of celestial objects (we have nothing equivalent on Earth). Astronomy and Mathematic discoveries were still a few decades away.
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Why Are The Quran And Ahadeeth Geocentric?

Postby Treven » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:08 pm

Q: Where in the Quran does it mention the earth floating in orbit?

A: Motion Of The Earth In Quran

Have we not made the earth kifaata?

{Al-Quran 77:25}

Allah says in the Holy Quran that Allah made the earth kifaata. The motion of the earth is hidden beyond this word. Lets see the wideness of the word kifaata & how beautifully Allah is describing us the motion of the earth.

When the word kifaata, use with birds, the meaning will be "a bird, with contracting its furs, flying fastly." (lughat-ul-Quran).

The similar word when use with horse, the meaning will be "the horse become uncontrolled and the traveler can't able to control it. (Lughat-ul-Quran).

And when this word "kifaata" used with earth then it will meant that the earth is fastly moving (flying) keeping all creatures and its movement is not controllable by traveler (all creatures). Now let us read this verse again with this translation.

Have WE not made the earth a fast moving object with den of storage?

{Al-Quran 77:25}

Second verse regarding motion of the earth:

"Have We not made the earth as a cradle and the mountains like pegs?"

{Al-Quran 78:6-7}

The Arabic word used for cradle is "Mihaada". (Mufridaat-ul-Quran). The Quran compares the earth to a cradle because a cradle is a place of rest that is engaged in motion.


Third Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth

And the earth is wada'aha for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}

"wada'atinnaaqah" means " a running camel" (lughat-ul-Quran)

"Wada'aturrajul" means "a running man" (lughat-ul-Quran)

We observed that the word "running" common in both meanings, hence in the above verse the word "wada'a" used with the earth. thus the translation of this verse will be,

And the earth, is a running object for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}

4th Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth

Who has made for you the earth as a farsh.....

{Al-Quran 2:22}

Farasha means a "flying insect" like moth, mosquito etc. This meaning of farash is used in the following verse of the Holy Quran:

"youma yakoomun naaso ka al_faraashil mabsoos"

It is a day where on mankind will be like moths (farash) scattered about.

{Al-Quran 101:4}

Hence when Allah says that the earth is farsh then it meant that the earth is like a flying insect which is proving motion of the earth.
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